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Breville Barista Express (built-in) vs Fellow Ode Gen 1
Conical against flat — the Barista Express (built-in)'s scale curves where the other runs straight. The Ode Gen 1 is numbered 1–11; the Barista Express (built-in) is numbered 1–16.
Which to buy
Choose the
Barista Express (built-in) if you…
- brew espresso only — Breville gives all 16 settings to espresso
- want the grinder in the machine, dosing for a 1- or 2-cup basket
Choose the
Ode Gen 1 if you…
- brew filter only — Fellow says the Ode does not grind for espresso
- want 64 mm flat burrs
- already own one, or are buying used — Fellow lists it as sold out
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Fellow now sells the Ode Gen 2 in place of the original; the settings on this page are for the Gen 1.
Sources: Fellow — Ode Gen 1 (archived) · Fellow — Ode Brew Grinder · Breville — Barista Express · Breville — Barista Express manual
| Barista Express (built-in) | Ode Gen 1 | |
|---|---|---|
| Brand | Breville | Fellow |
| Scale | Numbered dial | Numbered dial |
| Dial range | 1 – 16 | 1 – 11 |
| Burrs | Conical | Flat |
| Espresso → filter | 4.2 numbers | 2.6 numbers |
| Filter → coarse | 5.3 numbers | 7.4 numbers |
The same number means different things
Both grinders use a numbered dial, which makes it tempting to copy a number straight across. Setting 6 sits at grind index 18.7 on the Barista Express (built-in) but 56.7 on the Ode Gen 1 — far enough apart to change the cup.
Converting a setting
If a recipe quotes a setting for one of these grinders, read across for the equivalent on the other. Rows are spaced evenly by grind size, not by dial number — on a conical burr those are not the same thing.
| Barista Express (built-in) | Ode Gen 1 |
|---|---|
| 5 | 1 |
| 6 | 1.2 |
| 7 | 2.2 |
| 8 | 3 |
| 9 | 3.2 |
| 10 | 5 |
| 11 | 6.1 |
| 12 | 8.1 |
| 13 | 9.1 |
| 14 | 10 |
| Ode Gen 1 | Barista Express (built-in) |
|---|---|
| 1 | 5 |
| 1.1 | 5 |
| 1.2 | 6 |
| 2.2 | 7 |
| 3 | 8 |
| 3.2 | 9 |
| 5 | 10 |
| 6.1 | 11 |
| 7.1 | 11 |
| 8.1 | 12 |
| 9.1 | 13 |
| 10 | 14 |
| 11 | 14 |
Side by side, by brew method
Where each grinder lands for the same brew, worked out from its own dial curve.
| Method | Barista Express (built-in) | Ode Gen 1 |
|---|---|---|
| Espresso | 5 | 1.1 |
| Moka pot | 6 | 1.2 |
| AeroPress (short steep) | 7 | 2.2 |
| Pour over — V60 / cone | 9 | 3.1 |
| Siphon | 9 | 4 |
| Pour over — flat bottom | 9 | 4.1 |
| Steep and release — Clever / Switch | 10 | 4.2 |
| Drip / batch brew | 10 | 5 |
| Cupping | 10 | 3 |
| Chemex | 11 | 6.1 |
| French press | 12 | 8 |
| Cold brew | 13 | 9.2 |
The shape of each dial
Where the connectors bunch, that grinder’s dial is compressed and single steps count for more. Comparing the two shapes tells you which gives finer control, and where.
Breville Barista Express (built-in)
Fellow Ode Gen 1
Dialing in the Barista Express (built-in)
The grinder built into the Barista Express, tuned around that machine's basket rather than as a general-purpose grinder. It has a narrower usable range than a standalone unit, and the internal burr adjustment matters as much as the outer dial for reaching a proper espresso grind.
Dialing in the Ode Gen 1
The original Ode had noticeably more fines than the Gen 2 that replaced it, which is why the Gen 2 burr upgrade became such a common retrofit. If you are running Gen 1 burrs, expect to sit slightly coarser than published Ode numbers to get the same cup.