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DF64 DF64 Gen 2 vs Fiorenzato AllGround
Two grinders cross-shopped at the same money. The DF64 Gen 2 is numbered 0–90; the AllGround is numbered 0–73.
Which to buy
Choose the
DF64 Gen 2 if you…
- single-dose — the bellows hopper holds about 50 g
- want a plasma ion generator to cut static
- want an optional Red Titanium burr set
Choose the
AllGround if you…
- grind from a 500 g hopper, with doses set in seconds
- want burrs made by Fiorenzato, rated for 3,000 kg
- switch between espresso, moka and filter — a display shows the mode as you turn the ring
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Turin now sells the DF64 Gen 2 as the Gen 2.7; the "Gen 2" revision names vary by seller.
Sources: Turin — DF64 Gen 2.7 · Fiorenzato — AllGround Classic · Fiorenzato — AllGround brochure
| DF64 Gen 2 | AllGround | |
|---|---|---|
| Brand | DF64 | Fiorenzato |
| Scale | Numbered dial | Numbered dial |
| Dial range | 0 – 90 | 0 – 73 |
| Burrs | Flat | Flat |
| Espresso → filter | 55.2 numbers | 38 numbers |
| Filter → coarse | 22.3 numbers | 25 numbers |
The same number means different things
Both grinders use a numbered dial, which makes it tempting to copy a number straight across. Setting 37 sits at grind index 20.9 on the DF64 Gen 2 but 13.5 on the AllGround — far enough apart to change the cup.
Converting a setting
If a recipe quotes a setting for one of these grinders, read across for the equivalent on the other. Rows are spaced evenly by grind size, not by dial number — on a conical burr those are not the same thing.
| DF64 Gen 2 | AllGround |
|---|---|
| 12.4 | 10 |
| 20.8 | 26.7 |
| 30.3 | 40.5 |
| 43.6 | 43.2 |
| 56.9 | 45.9 |
| 67.9 | 49.2 |
| 69.4 | 55.3 |
| 70.9 | 61.4 |
| 72.4 | 67.6 |
| 75.8 | 70.5 |
| 80.5 | 71.3 |
| 85.2 | 72.2 |
| 89.9 | 73 |
| AllGround | DF64 Gen 2 |
|---|---|
| 10 | 12.4 |
| 26.7 | 20.8 |
| 40.5 | 30.3 |
| 43.2 | 43.6 |
| 45.9 | 56.9 |
| 49.2 | 67.9 |
| 55.3 | 69.4 |
| 61.4 | 70.9 |
| 67.6 | 72.4 |
| 70.5 | 75.8 |
| 71.3 | 80.5 |
| 72.2 | 85.2 |
| 73 | 89.9 |
Side by side, by brew method
Where each grinder lands for the same brew, worked out from its own dial curve.
| Method | DF64 Gen 2 | AllGround |
|---|---|---|
| Espresso | 17.5 | 20 |
| Moka pot | 27.6 | 40 |
| AeroPress (short steep) | 35 | 43.2 |
| Pour over — V60 / cone | 64.4 | 47.4 |
| Siphon | 68 | 49.5 |
| Pour over — flat bottom | 68.5 | 51.7 |
| Steep and release — Clever / Switch | 69 | 53.9 |
| Drip / batch brew | 69.4 | 55.3 |
| Cupping | 69.8 | 56.8 |
| Chemex | 70.8 | 61.2 |
| French press | 74.1 | 70.2 |
| Cold brew | 83.1 | 71.8 |
The shape of each dial
Where the connectors bunch, that grinder’s dial is compressed and single steps count for more. Comparing the two shapes tells you which gives finer control, and where.
DF64 DF64 Gen 2
Fiorenzato AllGround
Dialing in the DF64 Gen 2
A 64mm flat-burr single-dose grinder that became popular precisely because it puts commercial burrs at a domestic price. Espresso is the design centre; the burr choice you fit matters more to grind character than the dial does.
Dialing in the AllGround
A prosumer grinder that, as the name says, tries to cover everything. It reaches both ends of the range competently without being the best tool at either extreme, which is a reasonable trade if you brew several ways.