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Baratza Virtuoso+ vs DF64 DF64 Gen 2
Conical against flat — the Virtuoso+'s scale curves where the other runs straight. The Virtuoso+ is numbered 1–40; the DF64 Gen 2 is numbered 0–90.
Which to buy
Choose the
Virtuoso+ if you…
- want 40 fixed steps — Baratza suggests 8 for espresso and 15 for a V60
- want a digital timer that stops on its own
- grind from a 300 g hopper
Choose the
DF64 Gen 2 if you…
- want 64 mm flat burrs
- want stepless adjustment
- single-dose — the bellows hopper holds about 50 g
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Turin now sells the DF64 Gen 2 as the Gen 2.7; the "Gen 2" revision names vary by seller.
Sources: Baratza — Virtuoso+ · Baratza — Virtuoso+ manual · Turin — DF64 Gen 2.7
| Virtuoso+ | DF64 Gen 2 | |
|---|---|---|
| Brand | Baratza | DF64 |
| Scale | Numbered dial | Numbered dial |
| Dial range | 1 – 40 | 0 – 90 |
| Burrs | Conical | Flat |
| Espresso → filter | 8.5 numbers | 55.2 numbers |
| Filter → coarse | 24.2 numbers | 22.3 numbers |
The same number means different things
Both grinders use a numbered dial, which makes it tempting to copy a number straight across. Setting 21 sits at grind index 57.4 on the Virtuoso+ but 8.5 on the DF64 Gen 2 — far enough apart to change the cup.
Converting a setting
If a recipe quotes a setting for one of these grinders, read across for the equivalent on the other. Rows are spaced evenly by grind size, not by dial number — on a conical burr those are not the same thing.
| Virtuoso+ | DF64 Gen 2 |
|---|---|
| 7 | 12.4 |
| 9 | 20.8 |
| 11 | 30.3 |
| 13 | 43.6 |
| 14 | 56.9 |
| 16 | 67.9 |
| 18 | 69.4 |
| 21 | 70.9 |
| 25 | 72.4 |
| 28 | 75.8 |
| 32 | 80.5 |
| 36 | 85.2 |
| 39 | 89.9 |
| DF64 Gen 2 | Virtuoso+ |
|---|---|
| 12.4 | 7 |
| 20.8 | 9 |
| 30.3 | 11 |
| 43.6 | 13 |
| 56.9 | 14 |
| 67.9 | 16 |
| 69.4 | 18 |
| 70.9 | 21 |
| 72.4 | 25 |
| 75.8 | 28 |
| 80.5 | 32 |
| 85.2 | 36 |
| 89.9 | 39 |
Side by side, by brew method
Where each grinder lands for the same brew, worked out from its own dial curve.
| Method | Virtuoso+ | DF64 Gen 2 |
|---|---|---|
| Espresso | 8 | 17.5 |
| Moka pot | 11 | 27.6 |
| AeroPress (short steep) | 12 | 35 |
| Pour over — V60 / cone | 15 | 64.4 |
| Siphon | 16 | 68 |
| Pour over — flat bottom | 17 | 68.5 |
| Steep and release — Clever / Switch | 18 | 69 |
| Drip / batch brew | 18 | 69.4 |
| Cupping | 19 | 69.8 |
| Chemex | 20 | 70.8 |
| French press | 28 | 74.1 |
| Cold brew | 34 | 83.1 |
The shape of each dial
Where the connectors bunch, that grinder’s dial is compressed and single steps count for more. Comparing the two shapes tells you which gives finer control, and where.
Baratza Virtuoso+
DF64 DF64 Gen 2
Dialing in the Virtuoso+
Same 40-step collar as the Encore, meaningfully better burrs. The practical difference is not the range but the spread within it — at any given number the Virtuoso+ produces fewer fines, so a setting that ran bitter on an Encore often lands clean here. If you are migrating from an Encore, start at the same number rather than compensating, then adjust by taste.
Dialing in the DF64 Gen 2
A 64mm flat-burr single-dose grinder that became popular precisely because it puts commercial burrs at a domestic price. Espresso is the design centre; the burr choice you fit matters more to grind character than the dial does.